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1 Tim 2:11-15 (Revelations)

November 16, 2007

this is from 8/9/07

Oswald Chambers – “What was true of the Virgin Mary in the historic introduction of God’s son into this earth is true in every saint. The son of God is born into me by the direct act of God.”

After reading Oswald Chambers, I asked God to show me what it means that “she shall be saved in childbearing”

1Tim 2:14-15 interlinear

Adam not was-deceived the but woman being-deceived in transgression has-become;

She-will-be-saved but through the childbearing if they-remain in

Faith and love and holiness with sensibleness

1Tim 2: KJV

11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

My paraphrase

Let the wife learn in quietness with all subjection.

I don’t permit a wife to continuously teach nor usurp authority over the husband, but to be in quietness.

For Adam was formed first, then Eve

And Adam was not deceived, but the wife being deceived has made/birthed a breach/transgression. She will be saved/made whole/restored now by means of begetting/birthing the child if THEY (h&w) continue in fidelity and love and holiness with sobriety.

THEY- the husband and wife? Descendants?

The begetting could be Jesus born within her or born within her husband or- mysteriously- in their One Flesh. Thus childless wives would also be “begetting” Christ within their husbands and/or themselves. The being “saved/made whole” appears to happen in the context of marriage only; single women don’t do this ministry.

Or maybe they do! (see Gal 4 below- the barren woman, the single woman with many children)

1Co 7:34 There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

Since it is “she” who is made whole (not “they”) perhaps saved/made whole refers to a restoration of a womanly character, reputation, role. No longer held in contempt as “deceived” but “discerning”. Her pre-transgression and pre-curse dominion/authority and position in marriage restored. Like a reversal of the curse upon Eve

Perhaps “begetting/birthing the child” is a MINISTRY that Christian wives do for their husbands. I know in my marriage that it was a great deal of labor and suffering for me to go through the processing of years of junk. He didn’t seem to suffer much. It is almost like I carried the weight of birthing a new marriage.

This is another possibility… The Syriac and Ethiopic versions render the words, “she shall be saved by her children, if they continue,,,” Just as church supported slavery was for a time. So-perhaps- church supported invalidation of women is for a time and the female descendants of Eve will see a new day dawn within the church, where the ministry of women is accepted and respected.

Perhaps the child-bearing is the child of promise rather than the child of the bondwoman. It is the woman moving from life under the law, in the Old Covenant to life under the promise, to freedom under the New Covenant.. She moves from “one born after the flesh” to “one born after the spirit”. That would mean the possibility is there for ALL women, married, single, childless

Other scriptures:

Paul as midwife in Gal 4:19

“ My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,”

19 ¶ My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

20 I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.

21 ¶ Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Gal 2: 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all < to liberate many from misery and the penalty of their sins>, to be testified in due time.

7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

9 ¶ In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved<4982>. in the childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Mt 9:21 For she said within herself, If I may but touch his garment, I shall be whole <4982>.

Mt 9:22 But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made <4982> thee whole <4982>. And the woman was made whole <4982> from that hour.

3083 lutron {loo’-tron}

from 3089; TDNT – 4:328 & 4:340,543; n n

AV – ransom 2; 2

1) the price for redeeming, ransom

1a) paid for slaves, captives

1b) for the ransom of life

2) to liberate many from misery and the penalty of their sins

Ac 27:31 Paul said to the centurion and to the soldiers, Except these abide in the ship, ye cannot be saved <4982>.

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